What is the definition of IITian according to you?
According to me anyone who has cracked IIT JEE (IIT JEE Advanced now) is an IITian. Even the people of ISM Dhanbad and those who graduated from IIT-BHU before 2 years are IITians. It’s the students who make an IIT and I don’t think anyone has doubt in the integrity and credibility of these students from new IITs.
Every single person of new IIT had an option of joining any old IIT they want but they had to compromise with the branch. The choice they made was preferring branch over old IITs so does that mean they lost their IIT tag. In fact I think they had the guts to go for the branch preference instead of falling for the name of college and take the responsibility to build an “IIT”.
Please tell me what’s the difference between an old IIT tag and a new IIT tag. What is that a student of old IIT learn which a new IIT doesn’t ?
The points on which I have seen some of the students of old IITs defaming new IITs are
1. They have excellent infra
2. They have many food outlets near-by Dominoes, CCD etc. where they can hang out with friends and enjoy stalking girls.
3. They have excellent sports and cultural activities going around. Fests which attract huge crowd. Excellent performances in inter-IIT sports.
4. There top package goes in crores.
5. They have old and experienced faculties.
6. They have more research labs and departments.
Well I agree. All of the above points are true. No doubt. In fact all of us (students of new IITs) really appreciate this.
But have you ever tried to give a detailed thought about these points. How are these points helping a person (at an individual level) to excel and deserve to be called an IITian ?
Let me explain what I am trying to say.
1. Old IITs have excellent infra.
Yes, old IITs have excellent infra but trust me not excellent facilities. I myself have been to three old IITs and I have never seen facilities like we get in our college. There campus is definitely huge and also the number of students. In new IITs the total number of students is somewhere between 500-1000 (except IIT Hyderabad 1500+). And to house these many students we don’t need that many hostels. What we need are facilities like clean rooms and surroundings, proper washrooms, washing machines, etc etc. And in these believe or not new IITs are really good. Old IITs have old hostels as well and some of them are not habitable at all. Though we guys are in temporary campus at present, our hostels are new and with proper facilities.
And about IITian tag, how does living at a huge place add to IITian tag.
2. Food outlets
Yes, old IITs have many outlets in their campus and that too at subsidized rate. You can hangout with your friends every evening.
But again what does outlets like CCD, Pizza Hut add to IITian tag?
3. Excellent sports and cultural activities going around.
Oh definitely yes! There fests are great and lively. I myself attended Rendezvous once and it was great. They have huge budget and many prominent personalities come for a concert or interactive session. Students also get a chance to work in some department and learn something.
Sports, excellent performances no doubt. In fact old IITs doesn’t consider new IITs a competition at all.
Now let me tell you about sports and cultural activities at new IITs. Our fests don’t have a brand name. Its not known all over India and its difficult for us to fetch sponsors considering that our fests are only 5 years old. Our strength is way less than old IITs (almost 10% only). But work no less. And hence each student has to work in many departments at once. We have to make our fests a huge success. If we are able to fetch a footfall of even 20,000 thats a success for us. Our focus at present is to be the best in state and not in India. Because afterall our fests started just few years back.
We have to start various clubs and cells. And hence each guy end up with 3-4 PORs each year and all of us have to work our ass off to make it count. We very well understand the legacy that the brand IIT has established, and our responsibility to maintain that.
But if you see this at an individual level, a person get a hell lot of experience which is (In my opinion) more than than the experience you get while working for the same department in old IIT. Working for our college in a new IIT is like running a start-up and learning from experiences whereas working for college in old IIT is like working in a well establishes reputed company with pre-defined rules and procedures. We in new IIT get to design our own institution and constitution which will be followed in years to come.
Talking about sports, here in new IITs sports are taken more seriously. Not because we have excellent players but because we have excellent competitors (The Old IITs). In old IITs there are thousands of students trying to get into Inter-IIT team and hence a strong competition level. Its difficult for a person in first and second year to get into Inter-IIT team owing to lack of experience. And hence in Old IIT you develop your competitive skills. Only the cream get a chance to represent his/her college in the prestigious Inter-IIT competition. But if you talk about new IITs we really don’t have excellent players owing to the less number of students. Hence, more pressure on the team. Our practice starts right from the day we come from Inter-IIT for the next year. And hence in the process, we develop consistency, dedication and team spirit. The people who have been to Inter-IIT can notice whenever its an old IIT vs new IIT, complete squad of new IIT is there to support the team.
P.S Some new IITs have been able to defeat old IITs in various games and trust me it matters a lot to them. The pic below is of IIT Hyderabad’s FC Club with Bronze Medal (Inter IIT Sports Meet, IIT Kharagpur 2011)
So if you see this from an individual point of view, a person develops a certain set of skills in old IIT and other set of skills in new IIT.
So, considering all this, I don’t think we lack something which can deprive us from IITian tag.
4. In old IITs, Top packages goes in crores.
Oh yes! And we guys really appreciate that (In fact some of us jealous as well). But lets talk about placements of an average guy.
1. Overall average package of new IIT > Overall average package of all old IIT (beacuse new IITs have only core branches)
2. Average CSE package at new IIT > Average CSE package at some of the old IITs (Simple economics – Demand more, supply less means high cost price)
3. Average EE package at new IIT >= Average EE package at some of the old IITs (Same reason with relatively less offers)
4. Average ME package at some of the new IIT < Average ME package at some of the old IITs
Oops! So here is somewhere we lack. But I don’t think this will be the scenario a year or two later. Strongly my feelings no proof.
But the placements is all about how well you are able to market yourself to the company. Sometimes you get excellent offers and sometimes not so good. But the experience which you get studying in an IIT (irrespective of old or new or BHU) is enough for you to succeed in future.
So again I don’t see any point of depriving us from IIT tag
5. Old IITs have old and experienced faculties
Yes ! The old IITs have experienced faculties. But lets talk about new IITs. The professors at new IITs are young and are selected after so many rounds of interviews. Around 20,000 applications come for a faculty position and out of that only 2 or 3 are selected. Which means definitely the faculty who is selected is one of the best in his fields.
Owing to less number of students in each branch, we have an advantage. Professors know us by our name and we get to build very meaningful and long-term relationships with them.
I couldn’t get the statistics of other IITs and I remember I once read a news article on lack of faculties in IITs. There are many vacant positions in old IITs as well. (In fact in some new IITs like Hyderabad and Ropar the number of faculties are more than required at present)
The above pic is for IIT Hyderabad.
So again old and experienced faculty vs new and dynamic faculty is a topic of debate. Both has their pros and cons.
Hence they cannot be compared and we cannot be deprived of our IIT tag.
6. Old IITs have more research labs and departments
Its just a misconception! Please visit our campus and see our research labs. We have at present 102 labs and 13 departments. (IIT Hyderabad)
And also I have never seen a case where a person couldn’t continue his research because of lack of equipment. Our college focus a lot on Research and Innovation and if the equipment is not there you can order it right away. (I myself ordered a machine worth 50 Lakhs for my independent project in first year. )
and some of the sponsored projects
So considering all the above points I don’t think you can deprive us of ‘OUR IIT TAG’.